Joe Rogan blasted CNN’s Don Lemon and said the “surest sign” that he’s “not smart” is “how smart he tries to pretend that he is.”

During “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast Tuesday on Spotify, the host spoke to journalist Matt Taibbi who said people are “tired of being manipulated and talked to in a certain way.”

“By people who they don’t even think are superior to them intellectually,” Rogan added.