White House press secretary Jen Psaki locked horns with Gray TV White House correspondent Jon Decker on Wednesday when he aggressively grilled her on how a wide array of weapons supplied to Ukraine by the United States could be deemed “defensive” and not “offensive.”

His premise was a comparison of manned fighter aircraft with firearms such as rifles and shotguns that have “offensive” capabilities. Psaki unsuccessfully tried to thread that needle concerning lethal assistance to the war-torn country.

“You put out a list of all of the military equipment…” Decker began during the briefing.