Brian Deese, director of the White House’s National Economic Council, insisted that the Build Back Better Act is fiscally responsible and truly pays for itself over time, despite contrary claims from Obama administration experts.

Pushing back against arguments that the pay-fors in the bill do not cover long-term costs, Deese pointed to measures like the bill’s tax reform, which would impose a 15% minimum for large, highly profitable corporations.

“So when you look at the impact of those policies in the aggregate, it would reduce the deficit by about $112 billion in this decade,” Deese said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview. “In the second decade this bill would reduce the deficit by more than $2 trillion.”